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<div class="code">770219R1-MAYAPUR - February 19, 1977 - 3:51 Minutes</div>


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'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . and actually for the benefit of the human society. They have no other desire.

'''Hari-śauri:''' No, they can't stop this movement. It's not possible to stop this movement now.

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, it is not possible. That I'm certain. It is advertising indirectly. (laughs)

'''Hari-śauri:''' Will things get physically violent?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Well, the violence there may be. It doesn't matter.

'''Hari-śauri:''' We should . . . if we have to, we can . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, yes. We must . . . self-protection must be there.

'''Hari-śauri:''' Because now with these kidnappings it seems that we may have to . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Fight!

'''Hari-śauri:''' Then we'll have to fight.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, yes. Why not? Kill them.

'''Hari-śauri:''' Yes. If we don't get protection from the government, then what can we do?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh, you must kill them. Tit for tat. As soon as we detect that, "Here is a deprogrammer and kidnapper," kill him. Finish!

'''Hari-śauri:''' And if we go to court, then it's self-defense.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. At least give him some good lesson. Yes.

'''Hari-śauri:''' Oh, yes. Definitely.

'''Prabhupāda:''' That should be done.

'''Hari-śauri:''' We fought with demons once or twice before that have attacked the temple. We ought to give 'em a good hiding.

'''Prabhupāda:''' There is civil war. Why not this?

'''Hari-śauri:''' Yes. This is . . . this is a big fight now.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

'''Hari-śauri:''' (laughs) You're the world's greatest revolutionary. (Prabhupāda laughs) (break) Now that we're being attacked like this physically . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' So we must attack them also.

'''Hari-śauri:''' Should we actually have a training program, so that our . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' No.

'''Hari-śauri:''' . . . we'd know how to defend? Like you were saying ''varṇāśrama ''. . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

'''Hari-śauri:''' . . . system there must be ''kṣatriya ''and everything like that.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

'''Hari-śauri:''' Should we actually start to . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' Train.

'''Hari-śauri:''' . . . train up some of our men so they know how to fight?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, why not?

'''Hari-śauri:''' 'Cause we have men who know how to use guns. They practice a little. But on the whole, our devotees don't . . . they're not . . .

'''Prabhupāda:''' They are not trained up.

'''Hari-śauri:''' . . . trained up to be able to defend themselves, and these people are professional ''guṇḍās''.

'''Prabhupāda:''' That . . .? What is that? "Kirat?" They practice self-defense?

'''Hari-śauri:''' Karate.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Karate.

'''Hari-śauri:''' There's different forms of self-defense. (end)