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<div class="code">771109R4-VRNDAVAN - November 09, 1977 - 18:50 Minutes</div>


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'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Aaj tatti hua tha keya?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Did he pass stool today?)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Hu. Subah hua.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes, in the morning.)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Subah hua tha?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(He passed stool in the morning?)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Hu.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes.)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' . . . (indistinct Hindi)

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ekso pachas.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Hundred and fifty.)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' . . . (indistinct Hindi)

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' (asked someone and he replied "Dark green") Dark green.

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">O puria to aj dea deachi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I have given him that medicine today.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Achha.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay.)</span>

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Puria to dea deachhi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I have already given the medicine.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' He gave a medicine yesterday to control the stool, so we have to get it today.
 
'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Pulse to ninety.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Pulse is ninety.)</span>

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Ninety. That's not bad. But is it strong or weak?

'''Kavirāja:''' Now stronger.
 
'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Stronger.

'''Kavirāja:''' Stronger.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Stronger?

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Hu.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes.)</span>

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Your pulse is stronger now, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Shastrijī says that your pulse is normal rate and stronger. I think the ''kīrtana'' is having a good effect, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm.

(whisper in the background)
 
'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Yeh bhi to mahousadhi hai, Kṛṣṇa nam.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(This is also the greatest medicine, the name of Kṛṣṇa.)</span>

'''Prabhupāda:''' Bhabousadhi. (The medicine for material existence.)

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Haaa. Na, yeh bhi hai maharaj. Kisi ne pucha ki mujhe rasayan de do, to fir unonhe kaha ki - idaḿ śarīraḿ śata-sandhi-jarjaraḿ/pataty avaśyaḿ pariṇāma-peśalaḿ/kim auṣadhaḿ pṛcchasi mūḍha durmate/nirāmayaḿ kṛṣṇa-rasāyaṇaḿ piba.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes. No, this is also right Mahārāja. Someone asked to give me chemicals, then he said that—''Idaṁ śarīraṁ pariṇāma-peśalaṁ'' / ''pataty avaśyaṁ śata-sandhi-jarjaram'' / ''kim auṣadhaṁ pṛcchasi mūḍha durmate'' / ''nirāmayaṁ kṛṣṇa-rasāyanaṁ piba''. "This body's beauty is fleeting, and at last the body must succumb to death after its hundreds of joints have stiffened with old age. So why, bewildered fool, are you asking for medication? Just take the Kṛṣṇa elixir, the one cure that never fails." (Mukunda Mala Stotra verse 37))</span>
 
'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Śrīla Prabhupāda, Shastrijī was saying that when he gives someone medicine, he gives the medicine, and then because he's a doctor, he doesn't care, it may work or not work. But with you, he said he's become too much attached. He does not know why, but he's become very much attached, and now he's too much determined that his medicine must work. He can't feel indifferent when he treats you.
 
'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Mai parso gaya tha maharaj jangal me, wo mila nahi mereko. Wo tal makhana, jisko kulli khara bolte hai na. Aap to jante hai kulli khara ko. Bangal me to bahut hoti hai. Jante hai na?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Mahārāja, the day before yesterday I went to the jungle but I couldn't find it there. That ''tal makhana'', which is known as kuli khara (a herbal plant). You must know the ''kuli khara'' plant. It is available in abundance in Bengal. Don't you know that plant?)</span>

'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Hmm. Suna . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes. I heard . . .)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Suna hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(You heard.)</span>

'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Yaad hota hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I remember.)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ha. Uski mul chahiye humko. Wo hone se keya hoga, ki autometic thoda sa pesab jada ho karke aapko ye bar bar trouble nahi hogi. Ek sath hi pesab ho jayega. Pisab jada ho karke, jaldi se jaldi aapki jo bimari hai wo mitegi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes. I need the root of that plant. If we can get it then what will happen is your urine quantity will automatically be increased. Now you are passing urine multiple times—that trouble will be reduced. In one go you will be able to pass more urine. When the quantity of urine released will be more, then your disease will also get cured faster.)</span>

'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Hmm. Dekhiye.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Hmm. See what you can do.)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Nahi dekhna keya hai. Aab to aap pakka humko aap log, aap bengwa rahe the maharaj, mere ko. Sahi bolta hu mai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No no, there is nothing to see. Mahārāja, you people were all joking with me. I am telling you the truth.)</span>

'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Hum to hatash ho gaya hai na.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(That's because we have become frustrated.)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Nahi. Hatash hone ki koi darkar nahi hai. Aap hatash honge to hum log age kaise barenge, batlaiye.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No. There is no need to become frustrated. If you become frustrated, how can we move ahead?)</span>

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm.

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Jo aap ko thoda sa bhi taklif hua, aap bolie. Mai aap ke liye yehi baitha hu, mere koi kam nahi hai. Sirf kam hai ek - Prabhupad ko dekhna. Aur aap ko jaldi se jaldi swasth labh karana. Dusra mera koi kam nahi Vrindavan me. Mai Bihari Ji ke darshan ko bhi itna mahatma nahi deta hu jitna aapko thik karne ko mahatmo deta hu.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Even if you are feeling a little discomfort then please inform me. I am sitting here just for you, I don't have any other work. I have just one job—to look after Prabhupāda and to make you regain your health as quickly as possible. In Vṛndāvana I don't have any other engagements. I don't even give so much importance to take the darshan of Bihari Ji (Bānke Bihari), as I do give importance to your treatment.)</span>
 
'''Bhavānanda:''' Bhakti-cāru?

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Thoda sa blood pressure dekh lu mai baas.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Let me just check the blood pressure once.)</span>
 
'''Bhakti-cāru:''' He's explaining about the medicine, that if he gets the medicine then it will be all right.

'''Bhavānanda:''' Which medicine?

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' The one that he went to look for in the forest.

'''Bhavānanda:''' Oh.

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' He's telling that Prabhupāda's condition is not bad right now . . . (indistinct) . . . take care of him and Prabhupāda shouldn't be left alone.
 
'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Aaj keya khir khane ka ichha hai. Tasmayi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Do you wish to take sweet rice today? Tasmayi.)</span>

'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ichha to hai, kha sake . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes I wish to eat but whether I will be able to eat . . .)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Thoda khaiye, keya hai. Tasmayi tasmayi narochate. Ektho slok hai sanskrit ka, ki Tasmayi tasmayi narochate. Mane khir ek aisa padartha hai, kisko achha nahi lagta hai. Khayenge keya, aap to lila bigraha kar rahe hai, baat ye hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Take a little, it's not a big deal. ''Tasmayi tasmayi narochate''. There is a sloka in Sanskrit—''Tasmayi tasmayi narochate''. Means sweet rice is such a nice preparation that who will not like to take. But will you eat it, because you are performing your own pastime, that is the issue.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' Hmm.

(sound of blood pressure pump)

'''Kavirāja:''' One forty by seventy-five.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Seventy-five.

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ekdum correct.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Absolutely correct.)</span>
 
'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Just right. What was the pulse this morning?

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Keya hua?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What he is asking?)</span>
 
'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Subah pulse kitna tha?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What was the pulse in the morning?)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Subah bar gaya tha.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Morning it was higher.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' Hmm.

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Subah ka pulse ki sthiti thi inki 115.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(In the morning his pulse rate was 115.)</span>

'''Bhavānanda:''' Hmm?

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' In the morning his pulse rate was 115.

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Abhi to 90 pulse rate hai. Mane abhi heart bahut baria kam kar raha hai. Ekdum jitna good condition me kam karna chahiye, itna kam kar raha hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Now his pulse rate is 90. Which means now the heart is working very nicely. The way the heart should work in a healthy condition, it's working the same way.)</span>
 
'''Bhakti-cāru:''' Now his heart is in perfect order.
 
'''Bhavānanda:''' So what was the cause of that distress?

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Kaise hua, kiyu hua tha?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(How did the problem come up then, why did it happen?)</span>
 
'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ye maharaj ne kiya koi, samajh me nahi ata keya kiya tha.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(That Mahārāja has done something, but I couldn't figure out what he has done.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' He says Prabhupāda has done it himself. (chuckles)

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Minto me thik ho jate hai, minto me kar lete hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Within minutes he becomes well, then again within minutes he does something.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' (chuckles)
 
'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' ''Jaya'' Śrīla Prabhupāda. 

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Aap ko itna sardi lagta hai subah to bola ekdum sab kapre hata diye. Subah garmi bhi laga?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Usually you feel so cold in the morning, but you have removed all your clothes. Did you feel hot in the morning?)</span>
 
'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Hmm?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What?)</span>
 
'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ekdum sab kapre fek diye aapne subah.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(You have removed all your clothes in the morning.)</span>
 
'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm.
 
'''Bhakti-cāru:''' Hmm.

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Tatti ke liye aab inko aisa karenge do roj se ek tatti hoga, to baria hai. Mal jo hai, aab mal thora rokne se inme takat lane ki abashyakta hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(For stool we will do something so that he passes stool on every alternate day. This stool, in order to regain strength, passing of stool needs to be restrained.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Achha wo jo aaj tatti ka rang hua tha, hara.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Well today the color of his stool was greenish.)</span>
 
'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Hara hua hai?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(The stool was greenish?)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ha. Mere kheyal, wo jo, wo do dawai hai, makai ko ras dete hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes. I think that medicine, that corn juice that we gave him.)</span>
 
'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Nahi nahi, hara to matlab liver kam karta hai achha.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No no, greenish means the liver is functioning well.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Achha.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay.)</span>
 
'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Hara baria hai. humko bas white color nahi chahiye.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Greening is good. We just don't want a white colored stool.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' The color of his stool was greenish this morning. So that's good. That shows that the liver is working.

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Isme liver ko to achha rakhna sabse . . . aap to samajhta nahi, aap ka hum nahi samajhta, sabse bari baat ye hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(During this time it's most important for the liver to function well . . . you people don't understand my language, and I don't understand your language, that's the main issue.)</span>
 
'''Bhakti-cāru:''' (laughter) "It's a pity that you can't understand me and I can't understand you."
 
'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' No, we are understanding.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm.

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Wo puria mat bhul jaiye.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Don't forget that medicine.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Kaun sa? Wo tattoi ka? Tatti ka abhi  le lu?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Which one? That one for stool? Should that medicine be given now?)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Pani se.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(With water.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Wo sirf pani se. Thora garam kar ke de . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Oh with water only. Should we make the water little warm . . .)</span>
 
'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Garam se thanda de dijiye.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No, give it with cold water.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Thanda.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Cold.)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Garam ki darkar nahi hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No need for warm water.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Achha.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay.)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Inko water jitna bhi do aap, ubal karke thanda kar lijiye wo pani dijiye.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Whatever water you give him, even after boiling, make it cool first and then give.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Achha.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay.)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Aaj to inka medicine bhi kam kar diya hum ne . . . (indistinct) . . . baki thora sa pani dete rahiye.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(I have also reduced his medicine today . . . (indistinct) . . . you just keep giving him some water.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Arak ke sath du keya wo dawai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Should that medicine be given with arak? (liquid spirit)</span>
 
'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ha? Pani ke sath de dijiye khali.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What? Just give it with simple water.)</span>
 
'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Accha, thik hai. Pura puria ya adha? Pura?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay. The whole tablet or the half of it? Full?)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Hmm?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(What?)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Puria , pura pura puria de du?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(This tablet, full tablet to be given?)</span>
 
'''Kavirāja:''' . . . (indistinct Bengali)

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">To twenty, twenty hoga . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(It will be about twenty, twenty . . .)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Abhi is time pathological test se inko koi taklif nahi hai. Keya test mane, keya nahi mane. Pulse ekdum thik, heart thik.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Now at this time he has no problem on the pathological ground. What test we should consider to be correct and what not. Pulse is all right, heart is also well.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' He says from pathological point of view, there is nothing wrong.

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">General condition ekdum good.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(General condition is totally good.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' His condition of the heartbeat is perfect.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' So what is wrong?

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' Blood pressure is perfect.
 
'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' It is a spiritual thing . . .

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">To taqlif kiyu hota hai aisa?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Then why is such trouble going on?)</span>

'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Nahi. Us samai hua tha.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Not now. During that time problem was there.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Hmm. Us samai hua tha . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Hmm. At that time problem was there . . .)</span>
 
'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Baat ye hai . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(The thing is that . . .)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' At that time it happened, but now it's all right.
 
'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Kabhi kabhi kuch Shani maharaj inke taraf dekhte hai, to ye Shani maharaj ko bhaga dete hai. Kabhi unka dao lagte hai to tab unko taqlif kar dete hai. To yeh thode roj Shani jo inpe rehga jabtak . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(At times the planet Saturn looks unto him and sometimes he could repel that sight. But when the planet Saturn overpowers him then he experiences trouble. So for those days when Saturn will have an effect on him . . .)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' He said, Saturn is having its effect, like at times when he was looking at Śrīla Prabhupāda then getting some trouble. When his vision was somewhere else, than when the Saturn looks higher from him, then he becomes . . .
 
'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' But what did Prabhupāda just say?
 
'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Jaisa subah position tha . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(As the situation was in the morning . . .)</span>
 
'''Bhakti-cāru:''' No, when he said that pathological test . . . 
 
'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Subeh inka position tha na taqlif, wohi na? Hum das puria dene se jaise heart ke good position ho, wo ek puria pe aa gaya to keya bolega bataiye, keya matha lagayega.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(In the morning his situation was problematic, you are asking about that? The improvement that is expected to happen after taking ten tablets, if that happens after taking one tablet then what can we say on that—what logical conclusion can we make here.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' He said how can you define it? How can you explain it? Like the condition couldn't have improved by ten medicines also, but just one medicine it became perfect.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' What did Prabhupāda just say?
 
'''Bhakti-cāru:''' Prabhupāda just said that I mean, this morning his condition was bad, not now.

'''Bhavānanda:''' Prabhupāda was complaining of mental distress this morning also.
 
'''Bhakti-cāru:''' Śrīla Prabhupāda ?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ota ki byapar hoyechilo, mental distress?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Śrīla Prabhupāda, what was that issue about, mental distress?)</span>
 
'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Huh hu.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Trying to say something.)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Bolie bolie.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Speak it out, please speak.)</span>

'''Prabhupāda:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ohi baat je koi humko poison kia.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(It is regarding the same issue that someone has given me poison.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Oh achha. Une sochna hai koi . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Oh well. He is thinking that someone . . .)</span>

'''Bhavānanda:''' Hmm?

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Yadi, dekhiye baat yeh hai, ki ho sakta hai kisi rakshas ne diye ho.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(See the matter is this, maybe some demon has given poison.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' Prabhupāda is saying someone has given him poison here.

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Swami, kisi rakshas ne die ho yeh ho sakta hai. Impossible nahi hai. Wo Sankaracharya the, unhone kisi ne poison diya. Chai mahina tak wo bahut taqlif paye. Kach jo hota hai na, ye botal ka kach. Ye pishke khana me khila diya.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Swami, some demon may have given you poison, this is possible. It's not at all impossible. That Sankaracharya was there, someone gave him poison. For six months he had to suffer. The glass is there, glass bottle. They grind it and feed him with food.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' Oh.

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">To usko keya natija hua , bara mahine baad me leprosy ho gaya sab sarir ke andar.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So what was the effect of that, after twelve months his full body was filled with leprosy.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' ''Accha''.

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">To karma to apna bhogta hi hai. Par jo medicine hum de rakhha hai, yadi koi uska effect hoga, poison ka udhai nahi sakta. Guarranted bolta hai. Wo bhi effected hoga to rahe nahi sakta hai. Kyu ki abhi to hum pakar nahi sakta usko, inko dia hua hai. Abhi ye pakarta hai ki inka kidney kharab ho gaya. Kisi karan se, chahe bimari se ho, chahe grah se ho, ki chahe poison se.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(So we have to suffer our karma. But the medicine that I already have given you, if these medicines have any effect at all, then poison can't do any harm. This I am saying with guarantee. Even if it has some effect, it can't stay for long. Because now we can't catch hold of that person who may have given. Now say if his kidneys become dysfunctional. For whatever reason, may be due to disease, may be due to planets, may be due to poison.)</span>
 
'''Bhakti-cāru:''' Hmm.

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Prabhupāda was thinking that someone had poisoned him?
 
'''Adri-dhāraṇa:''' Yah.
 
'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' That was the mental distress?
 
'''Adri-dhāraṇa:''' Yes.
 
'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ye bolte hai to isme kuch na kuch sattata hai, isme koi sandeh nahi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(If he is saying this that means there must be some truth behind it, there is no doubt about that.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ha.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes.)</span>
 
'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' What did Kavirāja just say?

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' He said that when Śrīla Prabhupāda is saying that, there must be something truth behind it. (People all speaking at once, asking about the ''ācārya'' that was poisoned by powdered glass)

'''Bhavānanda:''' What he said about Sankarachariya?

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' Yah, someone gave him poison. You know the powdered glass . . .

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">. . . (overlapping comments) . . . pan me de diye, dudh me de diyo.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(May have been given in betel leaf, can be given with milk as well.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' Within a few months he got leprosy all over his body.

'''Bhavānanda:''' Sankarachariya?

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ek pan me dawai de deo, . . . (indistinct) . . . jindegi bhar ke liye . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Just give it in one betel leaf . . . (indistinct) . . . for the whole life . . .)</span>

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Śrīla Prabhupāda, Shastrijī says that there must be some truth to it if you say that. So who is it that has poisoned? (pause)

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Sabse bara poison jo hota hai, wo mercury ka hota hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(The most dangerous poison that is there, is the poison of mercury.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Wo to gaya tha unka, wo jo . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(That was passed over for him, that . . .)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Nahi nahi. Yeh jo Swarupa Guha ka aap pareye the na swami ji? Kalkatte me. Swarupa Guha.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No, no. That person Swarupa Guha, haven't you read about her Swamiji? In Calcutta. Her name was Swarupa Guha.)</span>

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm?

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Unko malum nahi. Akhbar nahi padte hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Prabhupāda doesn't know. He doesn't read newspapers.)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Uska pati ne dia tha.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Her husband gave it.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Accha.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay.)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Uska koi medicine nehi ata tatkalik. Itni doze de dia jisko hum log "Ras-kapoor" bolte hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(It doesn't have any medicine for immediate treatment. He gave such a doze, which we call "Ras-kapur" (ayurvedic medicine).)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Nahi, wo jo Mercury to isme tha, wo makara-dhvaja.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No, that mercury was there in the ''makara-dhvaja''.)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Nahi nahi wo Mercury nahi. Uska dusra . . . (indistinct) . . . hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No no, that's not mercury. ''Makara-dhvajas'' some other . . . (indistinct) . . . is there.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Accha.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay.)</span>

'''Woman devotee:''' What did he say?

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' He said that it's quite possible that mercury, it's a kind of a poison . . .

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' That ''makara-dhvaja''. 

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' No, he's saying not that.

'''Kavirāja:''' ''Ras-kapur''.

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' ''Ras-kapur''.

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Ami-ras. Wo chota preparation ache. Eta very poison.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Ami-ras. That's a small preparation. It is very poisonous.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Okay. Makara-dhvaja jaisa hi hai keya?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Well. Is it similar to ''makara-dhvaja''?)</span>

'''Bhavānanda:''' What was he taking, Prabhupāda, before that?

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Makara-dhvaja to amrit hota hai. Inke liye nahi suitable hota hai, yeh baat to sure. Baki wo to sab ke liye poison hota hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(''Makara-dhvaja'' is like nectar. But it's not suitable for him, that's for sure. But that one, it is poison for everyone.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Hu.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay.)</span>

'''Bhavānanda:''' What medicine was he taking before that?

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Kaun sa?</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Which one?)</span>

'''Devotee:''' ''Yogendra-ras''.

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' ''Yogendra'' . . .

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Kuch nahi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(It's of no significance.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' No, he was referring to a case, big murder case in Calcutta, the husband poisoned the wife.

'''Bhavānanda:''' It's ''Guha''.

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' Yah.

'''Bhavānanda:''' Oh, yes.

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Swarupa Guha. Wo zabardast, abhi uska case . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(''Swarupa Guha''. That was a big, now her case . . .)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Yeh Sankhadhar Banerjee . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(That Sankhadhar Banerjee . . .)</span>

'''Bhavānanda:''' Our lawyer is the . . . (chuckles)

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Bhagatjī doesn't think the . . . (indistinct)

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Mane inka sarir aisa hai, ye bajra ke . . . (indistinct) . . . hazar de do kuch nahi hone wala hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No, his body is like that, even if a thousand thunderbolt . . . (indistinct) . . . nothing is going to happen.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Nahi Bhagawan ne jo raksha karte hai. Aise to Prahlāda maharaj ko bhi to . . .</span> <span style="color:#128807">(No, the protection that Lord gives us. Otherwise Prahlada Mahārāja was also . . .)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Swami Ji? Ek sloke mujhe iyad ata hai, Arakshitam tishthati daivarakshitam   surakshitam dasivahatam vinashyati. Jeevatyanaathopi vanepirakshitah  krutaprayatnopi grahe vinashyati.</span> (Sughasitas verse 68) <span style="color:#128807">(Unprotected persons remain protected if the destiny is in their favor, but if it is against them they get killed in spite of having elaborate protection. An orphan remains alive even in a dense forest, whereas a person dies in his home even after making special efforts for his protection.)</span> <span style="color:#ec710e">Aab to wo siddhant bhi maharaj to . . . isliya koi sanka karne ki darkar hi nahi.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Mahārāja? One ''sloka'' just came to my mind (recites a sloka) Now Swamiji, this is the conclusion . . . therefore there is no need to be worried.)</span>

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' No poison is strong enough to stop the ''Hari-nama'', Śrīla Prabhupāda.

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Bās. Hari naam ke samne . . . wo Mira ko jitna poison diya tha. Wo ek bund par jane se admi ka death ho jaye. To sab pi gaya wo, batlaiye. Jo Bhagwan ke prasad lag jata hai na, wo poison bhi amrit ho jata hai, mujhe ye samajhta hai.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(That's it. In front of ''harinama'' . . . they gave Mira so much poison. Just one drop of it was enough to kill any person. But she drank it all, what should you say about it. Once anything is offered to the Lord and becomes ''prasada'', then even poison becomes nectar, this is what I understand.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Hu.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Yes.)</span>

'''Devotee:''' Prahlāda Mahārāja.

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' Prahlāda Mahārāja also.

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Prahlāda se jada poison diya tha, halahal isko, Mira ko.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(More poison were given to Mira than Prahlāda, it was called ''halahal''.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Accha.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay.)</span>

'''Kavirāja:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Itna jabardast banaya wo . . . jaise ek alopath me poison ata hai, ki uska taste aaj tak koi bata nahi saka.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(It was made so strong . . . like in allopathy there is one poison, the taste of which no one could tell till now.)</span>

'''Bhakti-cāru:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Accha.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Okay.)</span>

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Would you like some more ''kīrtana'', Śrīla Prabhupāda? Lokanātha can lead. Lokanātha, you lead. 

'''Prabhupāda:''' . . . (indistinct Hindi)

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' Lokanātha.

'''Lokanātha:''' Not for chanting, Śrīla Prabhupāda.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Hmm.

'''Lokanātha:''' We just had a big ''kīrtana'', but I could chant more. I have come a long way to see you and chant for you. So if you allow, I will chant.

'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes.

'''Lokanātha:''' Yes.

'''Devotee:''' ''Jaya'' Śrīla Prabhupāda!

'''Lokanātha:''' <span style="color:#ec710e">Been chanting all day in the ratha.</span> <span style="color:#128807">(Been chanting all day on the chariot.)</span> (break)

'''Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:''' (aside) Jagannatha Puri also. All right, I'll tell him.

(Background ''kīrtana'')

'''Prabhupāda:''' You have taken your van?

'''Lokanātha:''' No.

'''Prabhupāda:''' You take your van and three four pm.

'''Lokanātha:''' Three o'clock is all right?

'''Prabhupāda:''' Four.

'''Lokanātha:''' Four o'clock. (pause)

(''kirtana'' continues)

'''Prabhupāda:''' How is the climate outside?

'''Lokanātha:''' There's not cold so far. Lucky I came today. It's good climate.

'''Haṁsadūta:''' At night it's a little chilly, and in the day it's very pleasant and warm.

'''Prabhupāda:''' No, other parts of India.

'''Lokanātha:''' Oh, north. As we go towards the Himalaya it gets cold, otherwise up to Delhi and Chandigarh same climate as it is here now. As soon as we got into the mountains, it was very cold. We were shivering. As soon as we came to the plains, wherever we went the same climate. Same as Vṛndāvana. It's a good climate.

'''Prabhupāda:''' So you come at four . . . (indistinct) . . . (break) (end)