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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That is . . . that is the beginning of instruction in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. (indistinct background comments) The beginning of knowledge . . .		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. That is . . . that is the beginning of instruction in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. (indistinct background comments) The beginning of knowledge . . .

	German lady: Excuse me. Would you please explain for some people who don't speak English here, in German, because we don't know all of your words?		'''German lady:''' Excuse me. Would you please explain for some people who don't speak English here, in German, because we don't know all of your words?

	'''Professor Durckheim:''' Yes, but I didn't want to interrupt the Master.		'''Professor Durckheim:''' Yes, but I didn't want to interrupt the Master.
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	'''Professor Durckheim:''' (translates question into German)		'''Professor Durckheim:''' (translates question into German)

	German lady: Have you got some points in common with the Christian?		'''German lady:''' Have you got some points in common with the Christian?

	'''Professor Durckheim:''' Lady says that there are some common points with the Christians, who also certainly want to become independent from this body, which wants material life only.		'''Professor Durckheim:''' Lady says that there are some common points with the Christians, who also certainly want to become independent from this body, which wants material life only.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Christian method, the offering prayer. That is ''bhakti''. That is ''bhakti''. (break) Kali-yuga means fight. Nobody is interested to understand the truth, but they'll simply fight, "In my opinion, this." I say: "My opinion, this." You say, "His opinion." So many foolish opinions, and fight within themselves. This is the age. No standard opinion. Everyone has got his own opinion. Therefore there must be fighting. Everyone says: "I think like this." So what is your value, your thinking like that? That is Kali-yuga. Because you have no standard knowledge. If a child says the father, "In my opinion, you should do like this," is that opinion to be taken? If he does not know the thing, how he can give his opinion? But here, in this age, everyone is prepared with his own opinion. Therefore it is fight, quarrel. Just like the United Nation, all the big men go there to become united. But they're increasing flags, that's all. Fighting. It is a society of fighting only. The Pakistan, the Hindustan, the American, the Vietnam . . . it was meant for unity, but it is rendered into fighting association, that's all. Everything. Because everyone is imperfect, and he wants to give his perfect knowledge.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Christian method, the offering prayer. That is ''bhakti''. That is ''bhakti''. (break) Kali-yuga means fight. Nobody is interested to understand the truth, but they'll simply fight, "In my opinion, this." I say: "My opinion, this." You say, "His opinion." So many foolish opinions, and fight within themselves. This is the age. No standard opinion. Everyone has got his own opinion. Therefore there must be fighting. Everyone says: "I think like this." So what is your value, your thinking like that? That is Kali-yuga. Because you have no standard knowledge. If a child says the father, "In my opinion, you should do like this," is that opinion to be taken? If he does not know the thing, how he can give his opinion? But here, in this age, everyone is prepared with his own opinion. Therefore it is fight, quarrel. Just like the United Nation, all the big men go there to become united. But they're increasing flags, that's all. Fighting. It is a society of fighting only. The Pakistan, the Hindustan, the American, the Vietnam . . . it was meant for unity, but it is rendered into fighting association, that's all. Everything. Because everyone is imperfect, and he wants to give his perfect knowledge.

	German lady: Do you mean the Kali-yuga exists all the time?		'''German lady:''' Do you mean the Kali-yuga exists all the time?

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No. This is the period when foolish men have developed . . . (break) Instead of making solution, the fighting increasing. Because they have no standard knowledge. Therefore this ''Brahma-sūtra'' says that you should be eager to inquire about the Absolute Truth. ''Athāto brahma jijñāsā''. Now the answer, next quote, is that Brahman, or the Absolute Truth, is that from which, or from whom, everything has come. ''Athāto brahma jijñāsā. Janmādy asya yataḥ'' ([[SB 1.1.1\|SB 1.1.1]]). Now you find out where is the . . . everyone is trying to find out what is the ultimate cause. That should be the aim, that if you follow these philosophical quotes, then your fighting will stop. You'll be sober. This verse also, ''tattva-jijñāsā. Tattva-jijñāsā'' means to inquire about the Absolute Truth. Sit down, because there should be a class of men, very intelligent class of men in the Society who are discussing about the Absolute Truth, and they will inform others, "This is Absolute Truth, my dear friends, my dear . . . you do it like this." That is wanted. But here everyone is absolute truth. That is fighting.		'''Prabhupāda:''' No. This is the period when foolish men have developed . . . (break) Instead of making solution, the fighting increasing. Because they have no standard knowledge. Therefore this ''Brahma-sūtra'' says that you should be eager to inquire about the Absolute Truth. ''Athāto brahma jijñāsā''. Now the answer, next quote, is that Brahman, or the Absolute Truth, is that from which, or from whom, everything has come. ''Athāto brahma jijñāsā. Janmādy asya yataḥ'' ([[SB 1.1.1\|SB 1.1.1]]). Now you find out where is the . . . everyone is trying to find out what is the ultimate cause. That should be the aim, that if you follow these philosophical quotes, then your fighting will stop. You'll be sober. This verse also, ''tattva-jijñāsā. Tattva-jijñāsā'' means to inquire about the Absolute Truth. Sit down, because there should be a class of men, very intelligent class of men in the Society who are discussing about the Absolute Truth, and they will inform others, "This is Absolute Truth, my dear friends, my dear . . . you do it like this." That is wanted. But here everyone is absolute truth. That is fighting.
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	'''Satsvarūpa:''' Yes.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' Yes.

	German lady: (German)		'''German lady:''' (German)

	'''Vedavyāsa:''' She says that we cannot have heaven on earth.		'''Vedavyāsa:''' She says that we cannot have heaven on earth.
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	'''Professor Porsch:''' Included.		'''Professor Porsch:''' Included.

	German lady: Thank you very much.		'''German lady:''' Thank you very much.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Hare Kṛṣṇa. Thank you. (some guests leave) So now we have come to Germany. You cooperate and make it a great success for the general benefit of the whole humanity. We have got arts, music, literature, culture, food—everything.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Hare Kṛṣṇa. Thank you. (some guests leave) So now we have come to Germany. You cooperate and make it a great success for the general benefit of the whole humanity. We have got arts, music, literature, culture, food—everything.

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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Zero.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Zero.

	Devotee: Zero.		'''Devotee:''' Zero.

	Professor Durckheim: Zero, yes. Well, zero from the point of view of view of the old ego it's zero, but this zero is everything from . . . (indistinct) . . . from the point of view of the natural ego it's zero and once you touch it, it's the plenitude, everything. It's beyond something and everything, as far as I understand it.		Professor Durckheim: Zero, yes. Well, zero from the point of view of view of the old ego it's zero, but this zero is everything from . . . (indistinct) . . . from the point of view of the natural ego it's zero and once you touch it, it's the plenitude, everything. It's beyond something and everything, as far as I understand it.
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	Professor Durckheim: Yes, how do you make them . . .		Professor Durckheim: Yes, how do you make them . . .

	Devotee: How do you teach them?		'''Devotee:''' How do you teach them?

	Professor Durckheim: . . . teach them to become aware of it? You see, now I listen, and that is, if you like, first a philosophy which contains the truth. I don't doubt it. But how to make feel?		Professor Durckheim: . . . teach them to become aware of it? You see, now I listen, and that is, if you like, first a philosophy which contains the truth. I don't doubt it. But how to make feel?
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	So we have to transcend the platform of intelligence also. Then we come to the platform of spiritual realization. That is instructed in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. (aside) What happened to your eyes?		So we have to transcend the platform of intelligence also. Then we come to the platform of spiritual realization. That is instructed in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. (aside) What happened to your eyes?

	Devotee: I was cut.		'''Devotee:''' I was cut.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' How?		'''Prabhupāda:''' How?

	Devotee: I was in an automobile accident.		'''Devotee:''' I was in an automobile accident.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Oh.
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	Satsvarūpa: Yes, but I . . . it's two. Chapter Two, verse 10. But the verse is not here. It is in the first volume. That book is not here.		Satsvarūpa: Yes, but I . . . it's two. Chapter Two, verse 10. But the verse is not here. It is in the first volume. That book is not here.

	Devotee: Someone is bringing.		'''Devotee:''' Someone is bringing.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' So he has gone?		'''Prabhupāda:''' So he has gone?

	Devotee: Yes.		'''Devotee:''' Yes.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, that is explained, that how this human form of life should be utilized, these necessities of life, not for to complete the necessities. Necessities of life, they are already supplied by God. Just like the birds and beasts, they are getting their necessities of life. They have no organization or no business, no factory, but they are getting their necessities of life. So ''Bhāgavata'' says: "This is not the problem, to acquire only the necessities of life. The only business is to inquire about the Absolute Truth. That is human life." (aside) Read this verse.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes, that is explained, that how this human form of life should be utilized, these necessities of life, not for to complete the necessities. Necessities of life, they are already supplied by God. Just like the birds and beasts, they are getting their necessities of life. They have no organization or no business, no factory, but they are getting their necessities of life. So ''Bhāgavata'' says: "This is not the problem, to acquire only the necessities of life. The only business is to inquire about the Absolute Truth. That is human life." (aside) Read this verse.
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	(break) . . . distinction.		(break) . . . distinction.

	Devotee: (showing Śrīla Prabhupāda's books) This is German. This is in Spanish, Chinese.		'''Devotee:''' (showing Śrīla Prabhupāda's books) This is German. This is in Spanish, Chinese.

	Professor Porsch: (indistinct) . . . Chinese.		Professor Porsch: (indistinct) . . . Chinese.
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Japanese also. And Hindi.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Japanese also. And Hindi.

	Devotee: Italian, French. Hindi also we have. Bengali, Gujarati.		'''Devotee:''' Italian, French. Hindi also we have. Bengali, Gujarati.

	Professor Porsch: But I also noticed on the faces of the devotees downstairs that many or several faces were, we would say in the West, sublimated, that the facial features showed that a certain form of sublimation had taken place. (German)		Professor Porsch: But I also noticed on the faces of the devotees downstairs that many or several faces were, we would say in the West, sublimated, that the facial features showed that a certain form of sublimation had taken place. (German)
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	Haṁsadūta: Yes, we have people in all walks of life. For example, we have the Ober-(German) from Baden Wurttemberg, he is a Life Member. And all people . . .		Haṁsadūta: Yes, we have people in all walks of life. For example, we have the Ober-(German) from Baden Wurttemberg, he is a Life Member. And all people . . .

	Devotee: We have doctors, lawyers . . .		'''Devotee:''' We have doctors, lawyers . . .

	Professor Durckheim: He's simply a member?		Professor Durckheim: He's simply a member?

	Haṁsadūta: Yes. He is a member, he supports the movement, he follows the principles himself, he appreciates the philosophy, but he has his responsibility in the society. He acts as a member of the society and here as a member. But his lifestyle is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. (end)		Haṁsadūta: Yes. He is a member, he supports the movement, he follows the principles himself, he appreciates the philosophy, but he has his responsibility in the society. He acts as a member of the society and here as a member. But his lifestyle is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. (end)

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	So unless one is self-realized, he cannot be engaged in the service of the Supreme Self. Ordinarily, a master and a servant, a servant knows that "I am engaged by the master. He is giving me food, he is giving me shelter—he is giving me everything for his serving." So he is careful in his service. This is a material example. Similarly, self-realization, ultimately, as I told you, that first impersonal Brahman, then localized Paramātmā, and then the ''yogīs'', they realize the localized Paramātmā. ''Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginaḥ'' ([[SB 12.13.1\|SB 12.13.1]]). The ''yogīs'', they observe the Supersoul within himself, and they meditate upon Him. (aside:) What is that verse?		So unless one is self-realized, he cannot be engaged in the service of the Supreme Self. Ordinarily, a master and a servant, a servant knows that "I am engaged by the master. He is giving me food, he is giving me shelter—he is giving me everything for his serving." So he is careful in his service. This is a material example. Similarly, self-realization, ultimately, as I told you, that first impersonal Brahman, then localized Paramātmā, and then the ''yogīs'', they realize the localized Paramātmā. ''Dhyānāvasthita-tad-gatena manasā paśyanti yaṁ yoginaḥ'' ([[SB 12.13.1\|SB 12.13.1]]). The ''yogīs'', they observe the Supersoul within himself, and they meditate upon Him. (aside) What is that verse?

	'''Satsvarūpa:'''		'''Satsvarūpa:'''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Self-realization, that is stated in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', that one should understand that, "I am not enjoyer. Nobody is enjoyer." That is false. They are trying, endeavor, for enjoying this world, and that is false. Real enjoyer is the Supreme Lord. We are trying to occupy this land, that land. "This is Germany," "This is England," "This is France," "This is India," "This is my land, worshipable. Land is worshipable. It is my land." But he should know that no land belongs to us. Everything belongs to God. And this is a fact. The land is not created by us. The ocean is not created by us. Then why should we claim, "This is German ocean" and "This is English ocean"? This is all false imagination. So when it comes to this understanding that, "Nothing belongs to us . . ." The United Nation, they are fighting for the last twenty years, but they are fighting on the false ground, because everyone is thinking, "This land is mine. I must protect it." So they have no self-realization, and there is no peace.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. Self-realization, that is stated in the ''Bhagavad-gītā'', that one should understand that, "I am not enjoyer. Nobody is enjoyer." That is false. They are trying, endeavor, for enjoying this world, and that is false. Real enjoyer is the Supreme Lord. We are trying to occupy this land, that land. "This is Germany," "This is England," "This is France," "This is India," "This is my land, worshipable. Land is worshipable. It is my land." But he should know that no land belongs to us. Everything belongs to God. And this is a fact. The land is not created by us. The ocean is not created by us. Then why should we claim, "This is German ocean" and "This is English ocean"? This is all false imagination. So when it comes to this understanding that, "Nothing belongs to us . . ." The United Nation, they are fighting for the last twenty years, but they are fighting on the false ground, because everyone is thinking, "This land is mine. I must protect it." So they have no self-realization, and there is no peace.

	'''Professor Durckheim:''' As soon two, two men who are realized, there is no war. There is a very wonderful story. When the Emperor of Japan took over the leadership again after having been for six hundred years only the high priest, now he wanted to be again the emperor. And he was submitting one ''dainu'' after the other one. Only one resisted, in Tokyo. General of Tokyo did not submit to the emperor and didn't allow anybody to come in to negotiate. So the emperor was very troubled. He said: "Should I burn down Tokyo? I wouldn't like to do it." And then his young sword~~(?)~~ master asked him—he was a realized man—"Do you permit me to just ride in this town and see the great general?" And he said: "Yes, you know the guards do not permit." "Let me do." He sat on horseback and just rode through. The guards, like this, let him pass. He announced himself to the great general. General said: "Yes, with him I am going to talk." And the general himself, being a self-realized man, said: "Well, all right." In twenty minutes things were in order, and they submitted gently, and without a single shot, peace was established. Because two men of a high level of self-realization met.		'''Professor Durckheim:''' As soon two, two men who are realized, there is no war. There is a very wonderful story. When the Emperor of Japan took over the leadership again after having been for six hundred years only the high priest, now he wanted to be again the emperor. And he was submitting one ''dainu'' after the other one. Only one resisted, in Tokyo. General of Tokyo did not submit to the emperor and didn't allow anybody to come in to negotiate. So the emperor was very troubled. He said: "Should I burn down Tokyo? I wouldn't like to do it." And then his young sword master asked him—he was a realized man—"Do you permit me to just ride in this town and see the great general?" And he said: "Yes, you know the guards do not permit." "Let me do." He sat on horseback and just rode through. The guards, like this, let him pass. He announced himself to the great general. General said: "Yes, with him I am going to talk." And the general himself, being a self-realized man, said: "Well, all right." In twenty minutes things were in order, and they submitted gently, and without a single shot, peace was established. Because two men of a high level of self-realization met.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. So that is our point, that if we understand, every one of us realize, that we are all servant of God or sons of God, that everything belongs to God, so we can use our father's property for our maintenance as much as we require, not more than that. So if we think like that, that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and there will be no more war, everything peaceful.		'''Prabhupāda:''' Yes. So that is our point, that if we understand, every one of us realize, that we are all servant of God or sons of God, that everything belongs to God, so we can use our father's property for our maintenance as much as we require, not more than that. So if we think like that, that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and there will be no more war, everything peaceful.
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	'''Professor Durckheim:''' Experience it.		'''Professor Durckheim:''' Experience it.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' This is experience. The Christian people, they go to church: "O God, give us our daily . . . father, give us our daily bread." So there is the supreme father. That is confirmed in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. (aside:) Find out this:		'''Prabhupāda:''' This is experience. The Christian people, they go to church: "O God, give us our daily . . . father, give us our daily bread." So there is the supreme father. That is confirmed in the ''Bhagavad-gītā''. (aside) Find out this:

	:''sarva-yoniṣu kaunteya''		:''sarva-yoniṣu kaunteya''
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	'''Prabhupāda:''' No. First of all find out from the index this verse, ''jīvasya tattva-jijñāsā nārtho yaś ceha karmabhiḥ.''		'''Prabhupāda:''' No. First of all find out from the index this verse, ''jīvasya tattva-jijñāsā nārtho yaś ceha karmabhiḥ.''

	'''Prabhupāda:''' No. First of all find out from the index this verse, ''jīvasya tattva-jijñāsā nārtho yaś ceha karmabhiḥ. Kāmasya nendriya-prītir lābho jīveta yāvatā, jīvasya tattva-jijñāsā yaś . . . ~~Kāmasya~~ nendriya-prītiḥ'' ([[SB 1.2.10\|SB 1.2.10]]). Have you found?		'''Prabhupāda:''' No. First of all find out from the index this verse, ''jīvasya tattva-jijñāsā nārtho yaś ceha karmabhiḥ. Kāmasya nendriya-prītir lābho jīveta yāvatā, jīvasya tattva-jijñāsā yaś . . . kāmasya nendriya-prītiḥ'' ([[SB 1.2.10\|SB 1.2.10]]). Have you found?

	'''Satsvarūpa:''' Yes, but I . . . it's two. Chapter Two, verse 10. But the verse is not here. It is in the first volume. That book is not here.		'''Satsvarūpa:''' Yes, but I . . . it's two. Chapter Two, verse 10. But the verse is not here. It is in the first volume. That book is not here.
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	'''Professor Porsch:''' Yes. That is important.		'''Professor Porsch:''' Yes. That is important.

	'''Prabhupāda:''' We are educating our children in Dallas. We have got very good institution, Sanskrit and English, and they are reading these books. That is sufficient. If they read these books, all different department of knowledge will be acquired. ''Yasmin vijñāte sarvam evaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati'' (''Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad'' 1.3). Yes.		'''Prabhupāda:''' We are educating our children in Dallas. We have got very good institution, Sanskrit and English, and they are reading these books. That is sufficient. If they read these books, all different department of knowledge will be acquired. ''Yasmin vijñāte sarvam evaṁ vijñātaṁ bhavati'' (Muṇḍaka Upaniṣad 1.3). Yes.

	'''Professor Porsch:''' Thank you.		'''Professor Porsch:''' Thank you.